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Second conference

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The second conference “Auto repair technology. Diagnostics of modern power units”
1st day (March 22)

On March 22, 2014, the Second Conference began its work in Moscow.

Conference Information Partner – National Association of Technical Service Enterprises.

What this conference is for, what it is for, and what it can offer the participants, is stated by Legion-Avtodata on its Internet portal:

“The proposed conference is not only a rigorous work program. This is a complex consisting of both programmed educational events and informal communication. Exchange of experience and personal informal communication outside the walls of the conference room with colleagues of equal skill level are no less important than the training program. Therefore, in the framework of the training program, we have provided time for free communication between participants, discussion and solving by them of the most difficult diagnostic issues not included in the main course ” ,

And it is really so. When I was at the first conference, I noticed that the conference participants kindly and interestedly communicate with each other both during breaks, and after the end of the next day of the conference, new and successful contacts are made. However, if you watched the video result of the first conference, then the participants of the previous conference themselves said it well: .

Well, we are moving forward, today is the first day of the big Second Conference, which will last 9 days. And looking through the plan of the Second Conference, you can see that the organizers tried to plan the topics of lectures as efficiently as possible, took into account all previous wishes and invited experts who are considered to be the best in their fields of car diagnostics and repair – the participants of the Second Conference were given a wide range of issues: autodata .ru / training / march2014 /

I am glad that the Legion-Avtodata company does not change its tradition to present to the conference participants a well-organized “Workbook for the conference participant”:

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This is convenient: everything that the lecturers are talking about is already depicted in graphical form with annotations, and the conference participants only make their notes – whatever they see fit..

Theme of the first day: before lunch, lecture “Effective use of information support in car service”, reads Evdokimov Sergey Sergeevich. And after lunch: “MotorData system – an interactive reference and information system for the diagnosis and repair of automobiles” . Read: Kurlenya Sergey Leonidovich ,Technical Director of Legion-Avtodata, Head of MotorData System Design and Development and Gazetin Sergey Pavlovich ,technical expert at Interlaken Rus, head of the training department at AmEuro, a certified engineer in the field of electronics, the author of many articles on automotive diagnostics, a practicing diagnostician with more than 18 years of experience. The main specialization is the diagnosis of gasoline and diesel engines.

Let’s be honest, right? Offhand: the first reading that the first, that the second topic seems to be like “nothing interesting”, so?

And he sat, listened to Sergey Sergeyevich and realized that everything was exactly the opposite. Let’s use examples as it will be clearer.

Lecturer Evdokimov Sergey (below on a photo):

In addition, as written in the conference participant’s workbook (… the owner of the Beard and Co. car service (Rostov-on-Don) … has been using the AutoDealer System since 2010 … is the representative of Avtodiler Company in the Southern Federal District ), he is still a good storyteller with twenty five year old experience in car service. And if he, who has accumulated cones in the car service system, recommends this product, then … we listen? For example:

– There was an expensive BMW car, we did it as it should, checked it, and how we started to give it to the client – that one was dissatisfied, they say, you broke my joystick. And its cost is from 100 to 150 thousand rubles. And what to do in this case? But you don’t have to do anything: when working with the Car Dealer program, we’re already used to it: when you accept a car for repair, carefully inspect it, describe all its “Kotskas”, be sure to take photos, etc. For all this, the program has special sections and modules. So on this machine – we showed the client a photo, we provided the client with a description of his car during acceptance (condition and identified problems), so what? He looked so modestly downcast and said: – Sorry, something I got a little confused …

Normally, so “beguiled”, yes?

There are many modules in the AutoDealer program, and all, in fact, as the car service grows, they will be needed. We look at the module “Products”.

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That seems to be pah, why is it necessary, why should one score his own head and breed red tape? And you look out the window, what century is there? Twenty first. Now everyone is so literate that only take care of your heels – customers will cut them on the go. Example:

– There is a line there where you can enter spare parts from the warehouse and spare parts that the customer brought himself. After all, how often does it happen? It seems to the client that if he buys the spare part himself, then it will be cheaper, better and more reliable. Well, why not go forward? Come on. But be sure to include in the line of the module “Goods” a mention that “the client bought and brought this spare part and brought it on his own”. And his painting at the end of the whole process. Otherwise, what could be? For example: they forgot what kind of car it was and when it was being repaired – the car returned, the client complains:

– I recently changed your shock absorber, drove nothing at all, and it failed. It would be necessary to replace if, in all honesty, yes?

Well, they’re always like that … they press on conscience … well, why not – if our fault! We open the AutoDealer program, look: well, firstly, the car drove decently (the speedometer readings are also recorded), and secondly, there is a note that the customer bought and brought this shock absorber. Have a complaint? In response, the innocent:

“- Sorry, I probably messed up something”.

It’s a shame that in the 90s of the last century, car services didn’t have a similar program, then we either hand-drawn the sheets, or then on the computer — we recorded the cars in a queue and made notes for each. Now easier and more reliable. By the way: for small car services there is a free block of the Auto Dealer program. Why not give it a try? And the easiest and cheapest license for 1 year is here: link to purchase a license

The main advantages of the AutoDealer System

Demo System “Auto Dealer” – The AutoDealer company provides everyone with the opportunity to try the AutoDealer program. The life of the demo version has no time limits, but is limited by the number of documents entered.

Free user support – Help from technical support specialists (online consultant, email, phone), detailed user manual, video tutorials.

No fee for the number of users in the local network – Many users choose the AutoDealer program not only for its quality and convenience, but also for the possibility of reasonable savings. Our program can be used by an unlimited number of users within the local network without any surcharges.

Free software updates – Some software developers charge a fee from their users for updates. Fortunately, this does not apply to users of the AutoDealer program. All updates are free for users with a valid license..

Exchange data with popular programs – Export and import of information and documents: Autodata, 1C: Accounting, 1C-Rarus: Alfa Auto, TecDoc.

Free version for small car services

The second part of the first day of the conference is the Motordat program.

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“MotorData system – an interactive reference and information system for the diagnosis and repair of automobiles”.

Everyone knows that. Let’s take a closer look?

Lecturers: Kurlenya Sergey Leonidovich

Legion-Avtodata Technical Director, Head of MotorData System Design and Development.

Gazetin Sergey Pavlovich

Technical expert at Interlaken Rus, head of the training department at AmEuro, a certified electronics engineer, author of many articles on automotive diagnostics, a practicing diagnostician with more than 18 years of experience. The main specialization is the diagnosis of gasoline and diesel engines.

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Key issues to be addressed:

MotorData System
I. Motordata system as a means of increasing the efficiency of the diagnostic process.
Save time when using the system for troubleshooting. The course is based on examples of troubleshooting real cars, with comments.

II. Key features and capabilities of the system.
1. The main features of the program and differences from the databases on the market.
2. Model selection and search options

– Search by engine code;
– Search by fault code.

3. The capabilities of the program modules and operating principles to reduce the time to search for information that will help solve the problem of the diagnostician.

– Wiring diagrams (trace mode, quick transitions);
– Fault codes (search, location of the diagnostic connector, typical faults in conjunction with the fault code);
– Pindata (search, waveforms, quick transitions);
– Typical malfunctions (how to solve the problem and save time);
– Arrangement of elements, mass points, as well as chains;
– Mounting blocks;
– Connectors (elements, intermediate connectors);
– Diagnostic knowledge base (quick search for high-quality diagnostic articles: we passed them through the filter of our specialists).

4. Diagnostics module using a standard ELM327 adapter.
5. Scandoc scanner communication module – Motordata.

It seems to be recently, but several years have already passed, when a message appeared on the Legion-Avtodat forum:

May 7, 2009 9:57 p.m.

The Legion-Avtodata company announces the start of the full-fledged work of an online-service of its own design – the MOTORDAT reference system “. . This day can be considered the program’s birthday.

Lecturer S. Kurlenya began the lecture quite unusual:

– We will work on-line, and to show that the program eats very few resources – see: the Motordat program is installed on a laptop, and to connect to our online service, I’ll go online through your phone and you will see how Motordata is not too scrupulous to the channel of communication with the Internet.

What is the fullness of the program now and how much does it meet the requirements?

– Over 10,000 color wiring diagrams with traceability.

– Over 10,000 diagnostic trouble codes with causes and conditions for their occurrence.

– More than 3,500 Pindata (check on connectors of control units)

– Link all mouse click data and unique interactive features.

– Specialized program for fasting electricians and diagnostics.

– The presence of both European models of Asian manufacturers, models for the United States and models for the domestic Japanese market.

– Scanner Integration Scandoc .

The program presents the possibilities:

Search by fault code

If the fault code is tied to a specific modification, then we open the program, enter the code and get the answer:

If the code is not “tied” to a specific model, then there is a special window where you can also enter the code and get its description.

Search by engine code: If you did not find the desired model, then you can use the search engine code and search for the necessary information by analogy.

Diagnostic trouble codes: OBD (P0, P1, P2, P3, U0, U1, U2, C, B), as well as Hex codes (hexadecimal), internal manufacturers codes, Flash codes. Printing fault codes.

  • Search by fault code.
  • Diagnostic Connector Location.
  • Read fault codes.
  • Possible causes and places of malfunction.
  • Code Appearance Conditions

Elements of the electrical circuit are kind of hyperlinks, thus providing the possibility of transitions between sections by double-clicking the mouse.

– By double-clicking on the output of the electronic control unit, the user goes to the “Pindata” section, where the output of the control unit is highlighted on the connector diagram, and the table shows the conditions for conducting the associated verification, nominal values ​​and, if available, the waveform of the signal.

– When you hover over a circuit element, a tooltip appears with the name of this element, and when you double-click on an element, the user can go to the “Check elements” section with highlighting the check for the current element

– To search for an element in the diagram by its code or name, click on the selection field with the inscription “Click here to view a list of system elements” and select the element of interest that will be highlighted in red on the diagram.

– By double-clicking on the fuse, relay or connector of the mounting block, the user will go to the “Mounting blocks” section and the element from which the transition was made will be highlighted on the mounting block.

By double-clicking on a circuit element, for example EP1, the user goes to the “Location – mass points” section. On a schematic drawing of the body, the location of the mass point will be highlighted and the chains in which it is used.

For the convenience of tracking wiring, the circuit provides a trace function in both black and the original color of the wire. When you click on a wire, the latter is painted either in the color of the wire, or turns black, depending on the selected trace mode.

Convenient printing at any scale with a list of all elements of the circuit.

Pindata – check of control systems through connectors of electronic units

Types of connectors of electronic control units from the side of the blocks and from the side of the wire harness, parameters and waveforms, test conditions, as well as pop-up names of pins (pin pins), search for a pin by the name of the element. The names of the pin pins appear when you hover over the pin.

– If you need to find the terminal output of the electronic control unit, use the search system via the pop-up menu.

To search, click on the selection field with the inscription “Click here for a list of contacts and systems.” and select the output you are interested in, which will be highlighted on the connector of the electronic control unit, and the table will display the test conditions, nominal values ​​and, if available, the waveform of the signal.

– By double-clicking on the terminal output of the electronic control unit, you can go to the “Wiring diagrams“, where on the connector diagram the output of the control unit to which the transition is made will be highlighted.

– Printing connectors with data tables and waveforms.

– Description of procedures for checking individual elements, such as sensors, switches, relays, actuators, and others.

– Detailed step-by-step description of initialization procedures, actions after replacing electronic components, disconnecting batteries, checking oil pressure, crankshaft speed and much more.

– Procedures for reading fault codes (including without the use of scanners)

– Instant transition to the location of the element on the wiring diagram, body, in the mounting block or the corresponding conclusions of the electronic block.

– Printing an item verification procedure.

– Description of malfunctions characteristic of this model and methods of their elimination.

– For ease of use, transitions are provided between the module “Typical faults and the modules” Fault codes “,” Electrical circuits “,” Checks of elements “,” Location “,” Mounting blocks “.

– Having read the fault code with the scanner or starting diagnostics, do not rush to check the element, first read the module Typical malfunctions – this will save you time.

Section “Location“consists of three parts:

– Blocks, relays and sensors

Accessible and easy to do: search for blocks, relays, sensors, ground points and intermediate connectors. From here, transitions are made to the sections “Electrical circuits”, “Mounting blocks” and “Connectors”.

It is important to know where the mass point is located and which chains it protects. This will help you section “Location – Mass Points

This module of the program provides information about the mounting blocks and their location fuses, relay and connectors, and list of protected circuits and color fuse rating.

– The appearance of the mounting blocks, the location of the connectors, relays and fuses.

– Color display of fuses, their names, ratings and lists of protected systems.

– By double-clicking on the fuse, relay, or mounting block connector in the “Mounting blocks“go to section”Schemes“with the selection of the element from which the transition was made.

– When you double-click on the mounting block, the section “Location“with the selection of the element from which the transition was made.

– To search for an element on the mounting block, click on the selection field with the inscription “Click here to view a list of items.” and select the element you are interested in, which will be highlighted in red on the mounting block.

Now another convenience has been implemented: “Knowledge Base”. For many of our users, the Legion-Avtodata articles page has been bookmarked:

But now we have begun to link all our articles to the Motordat program, see:

Everything is written in the picture. The database is not yet fully filled – after all, it is not easy to catalog more than 1,000 articles! But soon all the articles will stand, as they say, in “orderly rows” in the Motordat program, and it will be possible, for example, when searching for a malfunction code, immediately get a link to the article, where this issue is considered in more detail. As, for example, already done with articles on the particulate filter:

The Motordat program allows you to diagnose using an inexpensive module: MotorData ELM327

The module is intended for vehicle diagnostics using an ELM327 adapter connected to the vehicle diagnostic connector that supports the OBD II standard. Supported protocols: J1850 VPW, J1850 PWM, ISO9141-2, ISO14230-4 (KWP2000), ISO15765-4 (CAN).

Scandoc Scanner Communication Module – Motordata

Scanner users Scandoc the opportunity to go to the program Motordata to obtain the necessary data and use the full potential of both programs.

When connecting with the scanner through the model, the inscription appears in the scanner Find in Motordata (under the inscription Location of the diagnostic connector). The inscription appears provided that MotorData is installed on the computer .

When clicking on Find in Motordata the transition from the ScanDoc scanner program to Motordata will be carried out and the models that match in the program directories will be highlighted. The sequence of user actions is indicated on the screenshot by numbers.

During the break, I spoke with automobile diagnosticians from Yakutia, the city of Neryungri Shcherbinin Igor Anatolyevich:

– Well, how do you, practice, this program?

– Not bad in principle, but now new right-handed cars from Japan began to come to us, and there is little or no information on brand new cars.

– And technical support? I know that if you call there …

– Yes, tech support works well. Of course I’ll come, I’ll call!

The Motordat program has been successfully used by many automotive diagnosticians. For example, read articles by Mikhail Kudryavtsev:, articles of other auto-diagnostics and you will see that Motordata is becoming an integral part of the diagnostician’s work, like other, no less well-known programs. Yes, to say that “only Motordata and all!” – this is not to say. Everything should be in the complex.

Technical support of the Motordat program is on the level. Many manufacturers of such software products can, as they say, “follow them,” on a team that has been filling, updating and supporting Motordatu’s program for many years in a row. All the questions, given on the Legion Avtodati forum, in the section: “Discussion and news of the Motordat system –” link , never remain without attention.

The first day of the conference is over. Tomorrow the second day, there will be a good topic:

Common Rail Diesel Diagnostics for Beginners and Continuing “. Key information on how to correctly and cost-effectively master the process of diagnosing modern diesel engines.”.


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